so sarah palin is one sort of -- >> let it -- please, be. >> yes, please be a different woman. but it feels to me that there's a deep bench of republican women governors who really could make serious candidates, either at the presidential or vice presidential level in 2016. >> absolutely. we see that with susan martinez, for example. you can't write her off as a potential vice president nominee, i don't think she's run for president, but the same with kelly ayotte. that's certainly implied there. so there's something about those four state also that you talked about, and actually, i think you see in all 50 states, is going to terrace point. men have been doing this a lot longer. there is that high aerarchy, th is that waiting your turn. so what happens, ironically, in the republican party, because they're so apt to get republican, show women, you know, we like women. they'll let women leapfrog a little bit more than the democrats will. >> well, yeah. >> women and also candidates of color. there is a strategic value to choosing the republican party for a certain demographic grou